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veggie va
#82 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:13:30 AM(UTC)
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A question about specifing ethnicity. I am indexing a book of waffle and pancake recipes. In the recipe types guide, several types of pancakes (flapjacks, griddle cakes, hot cakes, etc) are listed as north american. The book that I am indexing just calls most of them pancakes. Should these all be listed as North American, or does this count as one of the foods that is so international that it isn't identified with a specific ethnicity?


Thanks

Jane
#83 Posted : Saturday, January 14, 2012 1:08:26 AM(UTC)
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General pancakes would not have an ethnicity but those that are strongly linked to the USA e.g. flapjacks, griddle cakes, hotcakes, johnny/jonny cakes, Dutch babies/German pancakes should be North American.

veronicafrance
#84 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:08:11 AM(UTC)
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What is the delay on member-indexed books being approved? I ask because I submitted a fairly short one (about 200 recipes) 3 weeks ago, and it still hasn't appeared.

Jane
#85 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:58:11 AM(UTC)
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veronicafrance - the delay is that we don't have a large staff and we are spread pretty thin.  The new bookmarklet feature has required quite a bit of feedback to members on what is required.  In the same way member indexing of books requires a lot of feedback in order to keep up our data quality.  Once a member has completed 4 books or so and has absorbed all the EYB indexing rules we will not be proofreading, just adding new ingredients and responding to questions, so the approvals will be a lot faster.  We are working our way through the completed books as fast as we can so you will see yours go up eventually.

veronicafrance
#86 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:15:15 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the prompt reply Jane. I thought you were probably overloaded, but the first book I indexed went up a lot quicker (just a few days). I do appreciate the new online indexing feature!

Jane
#87 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2012 10:44:17 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for your understanding.  The biggest help would be if member indexers read through the Indexing manual before they start indexing.  I know it is tedious to read instructions and many people prefer to avoid them, but it does make the indexing process so much longer when we have to compose lengthy emails back to the indexer with all the mistakes they made.  We're not doing it to make them feel bad, but to ensure those mistakes don't get repeated in the next book (and so our proofreading job becomes much faster).


Recipe types seem to be particularly problematic and they really don't need to be.  We recommend having the Recipe types list open in a separate tab when indexing.  Then if you aren't sure what Recipe type a dish is, search the list by doing CTRL F - we have listed most dishes under each Recipe type, and we also identify what course it should be and whether it should be listed as Vegetarian/Vegan. 


Another of the time-consuming mistakes made by new indexers is assuming an ingredient isn't listed if they don't find it immediately and then listing it as a new ingredient.  With 14,500 ingredients in our database you can assume that any common ingredient is listed.  If you don't find what you are looking for, try a variation of the words (add or remove a hyphen, try a spelling variation) and also check the Indexing manual for Ingredients which explains why some ingredients are listed the way they are.  For instance, cinnamon would never be required as a new ingredient - it is listed as ground cinnamon and cinnamon sticks.  And cream of tartar is not listed as it is a store-cupboard ingredient that is never required.


It should get easier as the keen member indexers who have done several books each are now trusted to index without proofreading.  So those books can go up quickly which gives us more time to concentrate on the less experienced indexers.

Jane
#88 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:33:17 AM(UTC)
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I should have added, if anyone reading the above thinks they would like to give their submitted book a do-over before it is subjected to the rigorous eye of our proofreaders, you can request it is returned to you to edit.  Just email us at info@eatyourbooks.com

Cati
#89 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2012 2:20:38 PM(UTC)
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Pleased to see another of my books Blissful Brownies has just appeared as indexed. Having nothing better to do at 5am Sunday morning in Australia I checked out the contents listed against my book to see how difficult and exact member indexing has to be.I see that the book indexed actually has a different ISBN number to mine, but mine is in the linked list and all are published in UK. However a lot of recipes have titles changed such as squares changed to bars,slices changed to bars, flapjacks changed to bars.as for ingredients one recipe "Super mocha brownies" has dairy free margarine instead of butter. Do books have variations depending on what market they are to be sold in? If so they didn't alter for Australian market because when I saw flapjacks I expected them to be pancakes. Up till then I hadn't realised what the usage was in UK.
Jane
#90 Posted : Saturday, February 04, 2012 3:33:10 PM(UTC)
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We link all editions of a book to the indexed one, so the recipes can be shared, unless it is revised and updated edition.  Also if it is a very popular author such as Nigella, we have sometimes indexed both the UK and USA editions of the book.


There are definitely variations made when books are re-published in another country.  For ingredients this doesn't matter as we link all variations of the ingredient name.  So if you search for recipes with courgettes you will still see all the recipes with zucchini if the edition that was indexed was the American version. For recipe titles that might be more of an issue, though if you search by recipe type in the Only show filters you would still find the recipes you want.


If any member would like to revise their own edition because the US and UK/Australian version has significant differences it is easy for us to copy the recipes over and we would then assign the edition you own to you for proofreading so you could amend the titles and some ingredients as needed.  This is much easier than indexing the book again from scratch.  Email us at info@eatyourbooks.com if there is a book you would like to amend.

jbuchman
#91 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2012 7:56:05 PM(UTC)
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I was unable to locate marscapone cheese in the ingredient list when entering a personal recipe -- am I spelling it wrong, or is it not on the list?


Excellent site -- keep up the good work!!

Christine
#92 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2012 8:00:13 PM(UTC)
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It's spelled mascarpone. That should do the trick.

jbuchman
#93 Posted : Friday, February 17, 2012 8:30:30 PM(UTC)
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Thanks -- should have looked it up.

wmhinshaw
#8 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 8:54:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Jane Go to Quoted Post


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The page numbers is a harder one to resolve as we don't use pages to load our search results - which is much quicker for data loading but more problematic when you want to leap ahead.  We are pondering on this one.



What about an alphabet across the top? Clicking on a letter would start the search results at that point in the alphabet. Of course, would only work for list sorted alphabetically.

Jane
#94 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 12:58:20 PM(UTC)
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There are quite a few options on how we could change search results so you can jump ahead but according to our developers they all slow down the loading of search results.  When we first launched EYB we had pages and the loading was painfully slow.  The current system of scrolling results is much faster for loading but obviously doesn't allow you to jump ahead.  One option is to minimize the details on the page so there are more results per page and you can move through faster.  If you minimize the info to the minimum using the Collapse/Expand slider you get 200 results per page.


But as I said, we are considering ways to improve searching for recipes.

wmhinshaw
#95 Posted : Monday, February 27, 2012 3:47:18 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for your thoughts, Jane. New member - absolutely loving EYB!

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