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#1 Posted : Sunday, January 8, 2023 3:51:58 PM(UTC)
I've just indexed a recipe with the following measurement for corn chips in a 1967 cookbook:
"1 39-cent pkg. of corn chips."

Drom John, spouse of Shelmar
#2 Posted : Monday, January 9, 2023 2:29:02 AM(UTC)

Don't get me started! SO many cookbooks have useless indicators of size: eg: a thumb of fresh ginger - whose thumb?; 1 carrot: how big?; 3cm of fresh ginger: what diameter? What is wrong with the good old avoir dupois/weight system!!! Or the metric system : I really don't care which but please, authors, be really specific!!

#3 Posted : Monday, January 9, 2023 9:29:36 AM(UTC)

So many examples to add but I'll stick to 2 :)


I am positive that the red onions I get in my stores are significantly larger than Jamie Oliver (as one exmple of many) gets.  When he calls for 5 red onions and mine are the size of softballs...that can't be right?!?  A mass or even cups of sliced/diced expected would certainly help.


And a particular favourite of mine from a book on my shelves is "half a bag of orzo"....uh...how much? I figured it out based on what I was making but I can imagine the frustration of novice cooks!

#5 Posted : Monday, January 9, 2023 10:25:28 AM(UTC)
Because I'm old, I can tell you that a 1967 39-cent bag of corn chips is a lot more than you might think. It's about 4 cups, enough to top off a 9 or 10-inch "Frito pie".

That is an utterly bogus "measurement", though. The ounces are right there on the bag.

(Edited to add:} Now I'm wondering if you can even get a little single-serving bag of Fritos or corn chips for 39 cents anywhere... Probably not unless they're about to pass the sell-by date.
#6 Posted : Monday, January 9, 2023 4:52:43 PM(UTC)
And cookbooks from the 50s and 60s loved to use can sizes (e.g., #6) instead of weights or volumes.
#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 10, 2023 8:00:27 PM(UTC)

Originally Posted by: Fyretigger Go to Quoted Post
And cookbooks from the 50s and 60s loved to use can sizes (e.g., #6) instead of weights or volumes.


Having learned to cook in that time period, I can tell you this made perfect sense. Some cookbook authors and women's magazine made it their mission to teach home cooks how to use canned and frozen ingredients. Think Poppy Cannon (Cookbooks | Eat Your Books) The basic idea was throw the contents of a few cans into a pot and have a gourmet dish. My quick chili recipe and my tamale pie recipes are still can based. If the cans have grown or shrunk a bit, it really doesn't matter. What I love are recipes that call for spoonfuls or cupfuls referring to the dinner ware in you kitchen ... the amounts can vary wildly. Not to mention that the sizes of small, medium, and large are so subjective and so dependent on where you live.

#8 Posted : Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:23:48 AM(UTC)

I think my "favourite" is a bunch of herbs I can turn right out of my door and go to the supermarket and buy a bunch of parsley (or coriander or dill or basil) that is about 25g/1oz Or I can turn left and go to the green grocer and buy a bunch almost the size of a bridal bouquet for much the same money; if I go to the Farmer's Market I get a slightly smaller bouquet I've no idea how big a bunch is in, say, Sacramento or Rome I quite like the way Sabrina Ghayour handles it, she encourages you to buy the big bunches but gives quantities in terms of the supermarket packets, as most people can visualise that, or weigh it if worried,

#9 Posted : Sunday, January 22, 2023 4:40:48 AM(UTC)
I've started to notice especially with Ottolenghi's cookbooks but others as well that there seems to be an increasing vogue for putting a weight amount after the physical weight description ie "2 large Sweet Potatoes (about 900 grams)" or "1 mild red chilli (10 grams)". Have to say I definitely approve of this trend.
Have always found supermarket fruit and veg hugely overpriced. Local Turkish shops do huge bunches of herbs for 79p? Go to a supermarket and its the same price for 80% less herbs and all wrapped in plastic packaging. Borough Market is 1/4 the amount for twice the price again wrapped in plastic, looking at you Turnips!
#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 24, 2023 4:45:59 PM(UTC)

Originally Posted by: averythingcooks Go to Quoted Post
So many examples to add but I'll stick to 2 :)


I am positive that the red onions I get in my stores are significantly larger than Jamie Oliver (as one exmple of many) gets.  When he calls for 5 red onions and mine are the size of softballs...that can't be right?!?  A mass or even cups of sliced/diced expected would certainly help.


And a particular favourite of mine from a book on my shelves is "half a bag of orzo"....uh...how much? I figured it out based on what I was making but I can imagine the frustration of novice cooks!


I wondered about vegetable sizes.  Are my American zucchini larger or smaller than those of the British authors I love?  How much is half an eggplant (and what am I supposed to do with the other half)?  I usually add the amount I think I will like, but that's with 40 years of experience.  My detail oriented son wants weight, ideally metric.


zephy

#10 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2023 8:52:14 AM(UTC)

Yeah potatoes and onions are the worst, especially for things like gnocchi where the amount really matters!  Also as a gardener bunches of greens really throws me as I rarely buy things like kale ha.  I generally am trying to pack a lot in.  Ooh and my garlic cloves are HUGE so I tend to adjust if it's a 20 clove recipe 😉

#11 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2023 1:54:14 PM(UTC)

Originally Posted by: SKidd Go to Quoted Post


Yeah potatoes and onions are the worst, especially for things like gnocchi where the amount really matters!  Also as a gardener bunches of greens really throws me as I rarely buy things like kale ha.  I generally am trying to pack a lot in.  Ooh and my garlic cloves are HUGE so I tend to adjust if it's a 20 clove recipe 😉



I was looking at a latke reipe the other day - 3 eggs, precise measures of flour, salt, pepper and baking powder,
But the main ingredient was 6 potatoes, size and variety not specified, which iseemed silly to me


Although as a Brit I wouldn't use cup measure for most things I do quite like it when US authors specify something like 
"3 carrots, finely dice, (1 cup)" - I can visualise that and see if 2 of my carrots is plenty or what other adjustment is required

#12 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2023 3:59:27 PM(UTC)
Egg is a curious one. There are, in the UK at least, prescribed weight for small, medium, and large within specific weight ranges.

Recently been gifted a new set of spoon measures which together with their spoonisms also show their metric liquid measures.
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2023 4:52:24 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ThePatheticBaker Go to Quoted Post
Egg is a curious one. There are, in the UK at least, prescribed weight for small, medium, and large within specific weight ranges.


You got me curious and I turned to Wikipedia. They have a handy guide to Chicken Egg Sizes. Article says Large is the most common size and there is some variation in what Large means, but they are generally under 10% in difference.

Here's the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_egg_sizes
#14 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2023 5:39:41 PM(UTC)

Originally Posted by: Fyretigger Go to Quoted Post
… Wikipedia … have a handy guide to Chicken Egg Sizes.…
Interesting as that table does not include the UK and there is no European weight for small.


This page lists the UK sizes https://www.egginfo.co.u...ry-information/egg-sizes In my experience extra large eggs are rare. Most supermarkets have medium or large and sometimes a mixture of both.

#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 31, 2023 12:44:51 PM(UTC)

I'm finding that random (mixed, assorted) weight eggs are increasingly sold here in London UK, especially organic eggs - as those come from smaller producers in general I guess there would be excess wastage in grading. There's usually a minimum weight somewhere in the small print, though not obviously on my current box, the 2 remaining eggs are 55g and 61g,

#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 1, 2023 5:16:36 AM(UTC)

Ingredients measured by volume can be a problem for us Brits. Liquids and fine grains (say flour or sugar) are OK, but a cup of chopped onion depends very much on how fine or coarse you chop it, whilst 100g or 1 oz will always be the same no matter how you chop it. 

#17 Posted : Saturday, February 25, 2023 1:50:55 PM(UTC)
I understand that using weights for pastries is more precise, but there is a point that precision becomes pretension. Why do you need 46 g confectioner’s sugar and 47 g of almond flour to add to AP flour? You add the other 94 g of sugar to the butter before combining it all. How many grams were left behind in the sifter? Then add 56 g of “eggs”. That is 1.07 of my large eggs. After that you divide the dough in half, by eye.
I guess there is a reason I rarely make baked goods.
#18 Posted : Wednesday, March 1, 2023 12:34:39 AM(UTC)

Weight is not a flawless measure either. I recently made Pão de Queijo from The Savory Baker. It calls for 3.5 ounces 1.75 cups each of grated parmesan reggiano and pecorino romano. I measured by weight. But my cheeses were both considerably dried out. It didn't occur to me how much it would throw off the recipe. It looked like an awful lot of cheese, but I went with it instead of cross checking with the volume measure. Instead of cheese bread, I ended up with bread cheese! It's edible, but as something like cheese, not something like bread.

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