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#1 Posted : Sunday, September 17, 2023 6:26:37 AM(UTC)

Hi all,


I've been reading recently about dedicated bookshops opening for example the ripped bodice which focuses on romantic novels.  
I know there are a few dedicated cookbook bookshops around the world but it seems there aren't many.
My question is do you think there is demand for more dedicated cookbook bookshops? And if so what would your ideal cookbook bookshop have? Apart from books obviously 


Thanks

#2 Posted : Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:28:07 AM(UTC)

Originally Posted by: Hughe Go to Quoted Post
… what would your ideal cookbook bookshop have? Apart from books obviously …


Proximity. For example, Books for Cooks (in London) is my closest dedicated cookbook shop I think but is 20 miles or so away and while it takes maybe 45 minutes to reach them by car from my house parking nearby is abysmal. If I use the Tube it would entail three different line and take nearly 30 minutes more. And twice as long as that it I were to trust to bus services. Then there is the return journey.


There is also the desire to reduce my carbon foot print and while my current vehicle is exempt from fees in London's recently introduced Ultra Low Emissions Zone (ULEZ) I would still be contributing to the air pollution in that part of London and there maybe Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (LTNs)— where vehicles are excluded — but there are no easiiy accessible maps to locate them. The busses and Tube run whether or not I use them but so too Amazon logisitics and the Royal Mail.


Oh and Books for Cooks is located in an area of London I have no other reason to frequent. No special trip just to visit them.


Catalogue. Books for Cooks deliberately does not have an OPAC which means that one has to hope the book(s) wanted are in stock when visiting them.


Note this is not a bash Books for Cooks session merely anecdotal answers to the OP's question.


Then there is the meta question of "what is a book". Does ink on paper make it a book or electrons exciting a chemical reaction a book? Is one more desirable than the other? Sometimes ebooks are easier to use; for example one only needs the occasional few sheets of paper (to print a recipe on) or place some protective shield over a computer screen.


For the moment it is Amazon, Apple Books. archive.org (for out-of-print reference books), my local library's online access to various publishers backlists (Oxford University Press for example and its Companion series) which I can access for free as a member of the library, and rarely some "grey" sources when acquiring or using recipe books.

#5 Posted : Sunday, September 17, 2023 2:59:08 PM(UTC)
I am fortunate to have a serious well rounded bookseller a few blocks from home. Superb children’s section, non fiction and curated fiction, hardback and SoftBank. An adult eye candy store:) and superb cookbooks.
Yes, the books are priced higher than Amazon. I have to watch my pennies but also want to support this indie merchant. So I make a point of saving so I can purchase. Every now and then from this bookseller. If I purchase a Kindle or Apple digital book I will also purchase a hardcover copy of my favorites from this bookseller. My conscience demands I do what I can to support our neighborhood merchant
#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:05:29 AM(UTC)
I'm very lucky to live about 10 minutes from Book Larder in Seattle, which is a fantastic shop with a great selection and many of the attributes that are ideal for a cookbook-focused store : helpful and passionate staff, great author events, and cooking classes (though I don't personally partake of those). When we lived in the Bay area I regularly visited Omnivore Books, similarly delightful (with an an additional focus on vintage books, not my thing but I'm sure a great selection if you're into it). I think what both of these stores have in common is a location in a dense urban area populated with people who are interested in food and have high incomes.

That said, I don't do all of my cookbook shopping at Book Larder -- Seattle has many fantastic bookstores, and I try to support them by buying from all of the ones that are in my general vicinity (I choose not to buy books on Amazon, and I recognize I'm privileged to be able to take that stance). So even though Book Larder is fantastic and I visit them regularly, they are only part of my bookstore "diet". :-)
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2023 8:55:36 PM(UTC)

Our nearest cookbook shop is Now Serving LA, but we are in the next county, there’s no decent public transportation, and it would be an hour drive— so I order books from our local indie bookshop or Barnes & Noble, which I gather is kind of one of the main forces keeping Amazon from almost completely taking over the book world. I want to keep bricks & mortar bookshops in business because they are some of my favorite places— it’s worth a bit extra on the cost of the books since it’s not like I’m buying them every day. It’s worth it to be able to browse (and buy a Butterbeer Latte or whatever on Harry Potter’s birthday and see the shop full of kids, including my own, in full Hogwarts regalia.). I should add, if (like me) you’re not into buying your books from Amazon, Libro.fm is a great resource for audiobooks and it gives some of the money to the indie bookshop of your choice. I should also add, I look at the customer reviews on Amazon, and then I know what I want to find or order at the local bookshops.

#8 Posted : Thursday, September 21, 2023 8:01:18 AM(UTC)

Having just visited the wonderful Kitchen Arts & Letters in NYC yesterday (I highly recommend for anyone visiting the city) I realize the most important part of visiting a cookbook store, for me at least, is a knowledgeable, engaged staff who are happy to talk me through what's new, unusual or of special interest. This has been the case for me when visiting Omnivore Books in San Francisco, Book Larder in Seattle and Kitchen Arts & Letters. That expertise always makes it worth paying more than online booksellers.

#9 Posted : Friday, September 22, 2023 3:23:52 PM(UTC)
Now Serving LA is also my closest cookbook shop. It's an hour away so I rarely visit in person but I do order cookbooks from them whenever I can. This means I'm usually paying more than Amazon and might not be able to afford to purchase as many books but I think it's worth it to support a local, small business. I watch for their sales and always check out their "shopworn" books that are at a reduced price. I love that they have a lot of authors in for live events and, during the pandemic, made them available via Zoom. They carry some nice little cooking tools, aprons and condiments that are always fun to check out when I'm in the store.
Wish they were closer, but that might be deadly to my budget!
#10 Posted : Sunday, July 7, 2024 11:13:08 AM(UTC)
A belated reply, but wanted to chime in! I 100% abstain from buying books online, and have since about 2015. Bookstore are just to important to the fabric of our communities. That said, my favorite local bookstores keep me well supplied with many interesting new and used cook books, so I never feel the need to make the 45 minute drive to Book Larder in Seattle.
#11 Posted : Sunday, July 7, 2024 11:51:56 PM(UTC)

Sadly there are no bookstores dedicated to cookbooks in my city that I know of, and only 2 that I can find in Australia. If there was one that was local, I'd visit, as I love to browse physical cookbooks, and having knowledgable staff would be essential. Normally I buy online, sometimes after borrowing from a library. The bookshops that I visit only have a standard set of books ie what is popular, and some classics. But it is rare that I am tempted to purchase there.


I'd love a bookshop that was more than a bookshop - food demonstrations/classes, assisting new cookbook authors and some self-publishing help, regular author talks, ..... I am sure they exist but I doubt that there are any such shops in Australia. I recall very fondly a kitchen and home ware shop (with some books) that ran regular tastings, classes, demonstrations etc. I used to go often. What a joy that place was.


 

#12 Posted : Monday, July 8, 2024 4:41:17 PM(UTC)
I just bought a cookbook from our local bookstore. It is a cookbook local to the San Francisco Bay Area, and although I could have bought it $12 cheaper through Amazon, I want to support our local bookstore as much as is practical. Our local bookstore carries interesting titles, including the standard top 10 stuff, but also some stuff local and not in the top 10.

Having said all of that, I generally do not buy a lot of new cookbooks these days. I have so many I really don't "need" another cookbook. I do visit various thrift shops and Friends of the Library book shops and often find something of interest on the shelves for $2-$5. The cookbooks are usually older, but if it's a book I do not have and it is of interest, so I support the cause.
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 11, 2024 8:02:35 AM(UTC)

Originally Posted by: ThePatheticBaker Go to Quoted Post
Proximity. For example, Books for Cooks (in London) is my closest dedicated cookbook shop I think but is 20 miles or so away and while it takes maybe 45 minutes to reach them by car from my house parking nearby is abysmal.


Same here BFC's is also my local cookbook specialist. Oddly I was in there recently on my yearly nose around. Was very surprised to see that it only seemed to have half? the number of books it had on my previous visit. Have to be completely honest and say it's never been my favorite bookshop and in over 15 odd years  I've never actually bought anything from them. 2 issues for me are as has already been said its a pain to get to but more importantly it just seems to have exactly the same stock you can get from the much easier to get to Waterstones in Piccadilly and then to add insult to injury with the loyalty card it's 10% cheaper. 


I use Amazon's wishlist feature so am aware of their prices and to be honest since about 2019 Amazon's prices have been a bit rubbish. Not 100% against online but much rather physically see a book before buying it. If I order anything it tends to be with Daunts books. 

#13 Posted : Friday, July 12, 2024 11:04:23 AM(UTC)
My cookbook buying hierarchy is as follows:

1) from local or at least physical bricks-and-mortar, bookstores. We don’t have any dedicated cooking bookstores but my local Park Road Books in Charlotte, NC does an excellent cookbook display with posted staff recommendations. The Greener Apple is a used bookstore and vegan grocery which has a great new and used cookbook selection.

2) ThriftBooks.com. It’s a ideal online alternative to Amazon for used books. You can get pretty new cookbooks at a fraction of the Amazon price.

3) Kindle - I watch the Kindle cookbook deals on this site and buy only what I’m not sure I love, usually on sale for less than $2. If the Kindle cookbook is great, I’ll get the hardcover.

There is one thing I use Amazon for and that’s the reviews.
#4 Posted : Friday, July 12, 2024 12:47:22 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Indio32 Go to Quoted Post

I use Amazon's wishlist feature so am aware of their prices and to be honest since about 2019 Amazon's prices have been a bit rubbish. Not 100% against online but much rather physically see a book before buying it. If I order anything it tends to be with Daunts books. 



I use Amazon's Look Inside feature to get a sense of the recipe author's style. Sadly though that mechanism is now more likely to show Kindle excerpts, which are useless as the substantive content of a recipe does not start for many pages into the book. The Apple Books sample scheme is similar but does usually include more pages.

There are some "grey" sources of ebooks around that I use to see what the contents are like before making the decision to buy or not.
#14 Posted : Thursday, July 18, 2024 1:38:34 PM(UTC)
If there was a cookbook store in my city im sure i would patronize it some. As it is there is only one really good independent book store - they have a decent but not extensive selection. To be honest, i usually try to buy used to save money.
#15 Posted : Friday, July 19, 2024 5:20:45 PM(UTC)
We do have a pretty awesome dedicated cookbook store in our metro area but it is at least a 30 minute drive from my home plus traffic and tolls and difficult parking once there. With how we have been affected by cost of living increases, plus having kids in college, if I am actually going to buy a hard copy of a cookbook I now look for the cheapest way to get it. That is pretty much never a brick and mortar option, sadly. Note it's been over a year since I bought a cookbook for myself anyway.
#16 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2024 5:13:17 AM(UTC)
I live in a fairly sleepy town on the south coast of England. We have a second hand bookshop in our town and I buy used cookbooks from there occasionally if they have something interesting. The nearest big bookshop is about 20 minutes away by car, but it just has a section for cookbooks and they seem to be the standard run of the mill newly published books. One of our supermarkets actually has a reasonable cookbook offering, with prices of new cookbooks about 50% off RRP. So I am usually stuck with ordering online but it's a mix of Amazon, World of Books, Abe Books, and other second hand sellers. I also buy a lot on Kindle. Unless there is a good discount, I rarely buy a new book.
#17 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2024 12:45:30 PM(UTC)
I live in central North Dakota. If my town doesn't have something, the nearest larger city is 3 hours away. We have a chain bookstore (Barnes and Noble), but it is 1/3 the size of its metropolitan counterparts. I shop there, but the selection is limited. I also order online from Kitchen Arts & Letters in NYC, which has great selection & excellent service. Would love to visit their store in person! Primarily, I want to support their business; I think their prices are higher than Amazon. I also buy from Amazon, if the previous options don't have the title on my EYB wishlist. And I have gotten some great deals on older books at the local public library's used booksale. (I used to buy books from Book Depository, because I wanted an alternative to Amazon. So sad they closed.)
#18 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2024 8:59:30 AM(UTC)
I have the immense luck to have a cookbook bookshop next to my place in Paris (10 min walk away) and yes! I go there and if necessary I order from there. I haven't been enough recently but that is only because I have way enough cookbooks and i reached a kind of limit, and I try to use the ones I have more!

The bookstore is called La Librairie Gourmande ... They have events such as book signing but I would love it if they did more interactive event like Q&A, cookbook clubs, cooking classes/workshops ...
#19 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2024 9:08:11 AM(UTC)

For any members wanting to know if there is a cookbook store anywhere near you or when you are visiting another city, we have a directory of every cookbook store we know of around the world. If any member knows of a store we don't list, please do let us know and we will add it. We don't add general bookstores that have cookbook sections as that would be impossible to manage - it's more about specialist stores where the focus is cooking and food & drink.

#20 Posted : Friday, July 26, 2024 9:48:11 AM(UTC)

Originally Posted by: Jane Go to Quoted Post

For any members wanting to know if there is a cookbook store anywhere near you or when you are visiting another city, we have a directory of every cookbook store we know of around the world. If any member knows of a store we don't list, please do let us know and we will add it. We don't add general bookstores that have cookbook sections as that would be impossible to manage - it's more about specialist stores where the focus is cooking and food & drink.


Oh that is a great idea.


If that helps :


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