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#1 Posted : Saturday, March 14, 2015 8:12:41 AM(UTC)

I have just signed up for EYB as a trial because I was deperately trying to figure out a way to index my cookbooks so I could find recipes quickly based on ingredients with out having to go through the indexes of tons of books.


I get how EYB works though I am little perplexed that it doesn't list the recipe's page number in said book.


With that said, I'm curious how most people use this site.


It seems sensible to use the site to find dishes based on ingredients you have/are on sale, etc. and then perhaps use Kindle versions of the cookbooks to actually look up the recipe. This seems like the smartest way to "go digital" with my cookbooks because I don't see a way to search all my e-Cookbooks at once.


Any help would be apprciated, want to make sure I have a good recipe workflow down before I shell out $25 for a full membership.

#2 Posted : Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:27:56 AM(UTC)
Only a handful of my books are e books but most are not listed that way. If only a hardcover or paperback version are indexed, I place one of those on my bookshelf. In my bookmarks I identify them as e books. I haven't had a problem with not having page numbers. In fact the few times I've had trouble finding a recipe in my book's index it has been with actual books (one b/c I have a much older edition and my favorite recipe was removed :( and once for no discernable reason). Using bookmarks helps a LOT with organization. The help section of the site helps newbies figure out how to put them to good use.
#3 Posted : Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:29:51 AM(UTC)

I know that just currently, page number has been added to the (member) indexing process. So while it's not there on previously indexed titles, it will at least on those going forward. (Like Barb I don't really have a problem with that; once I know the recipe title I just pull my book off the shelf and look up the recipe in the index.)


To be honest all my books are paper, not electronic, so I don't really have anything to suggest in that regard.

#4 Posted : Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:54:44 AM(UTC)

Roughly how many physical cookbooks do you have, cdispoto?  Are the majority of them 15 years old or newer? Do you use any e-book cookbooks now?  Just trying to get a sense of how realistic the goal of completely "going digital" is for you.


Eat Your Books will help you use both physical and e-books more effectively, wherever you end up on the spectrum.


I use the ingredient-based approach a lot with EYB, but I use it almost as much to synthesize recipes across cookbooks. For example, say I want to make gingerbread, or a coleslaw dressing; EYB makes it much, much easier to see which books and magazines on my shelves have those recipes. Then it's a simple matter to get out those books, turn to the recipes, and after review either go with one of them or jot down in my cooking notebook a blended version (which is updated after the dish is made and consumed).  This process has encouraged me to use cookbooks I hadn't touched for years before joining EYB, helped make decisions about culling, and resulted in many "keeper" recipes that I've entered as Personal Recipes in EYB (which can, unlike the public recipes available to all, contain ingredient quantities and directions).


In that sense, EYB has helped me create digital versions from my physical books. Another way to accomplish this, if you have a just a few favorite recipes in EYB-indexed books for which there isn't and may never be an e-book version, is to enter the recipes on a private Note (do remember to check the 'make this Note private' box, though, to avoid copyright issues).


Bookmarks are a huge help in organizing both recipes and books.  I have bookmarks for the two physical locations for cookbooks in the house, for those that are in the local library (which EYB has made into something of an annex to my kitchen), those on the shelves of cooking friends, and wishlists, grouped by rough type (home/seasonal cooking, preserving, cuisines, reading interest).  Wishlists/books of interest take up almost three-quarters of my Bookshelf; there are only about a hundred cookbooks actually sitting on my shelves.


Recipe bookmarks are even more crucial to using EYB effectively. Because they automatically display alphabetically, I developed a letter system to keep similar types grouped together: recipes of interest from specific cookbooks (c. + book title) -- a huge improvement over the old method using post-its; ingredient-based (i.pork shoulder, i.sweet potato, etc.), and recipe-based, for the kind of synthesizing mentioned above: r.gingerbread, etc.).  There are z. bookmarks for recording personal experience/relationships with recipes: z.made, z.on deck, z.garden club picnic, etc.


Re: page numbers -- Indexed magazines have always had them, and I've noticed that EYB has recently begun to include page numbers when indexing newly published books. They weren't including page numbers previously, or with member indexed books even now, because of the existence of many different editions.  An EYB staffer can speak with more confidence on the prospects for further page number provision.  As with recipes, Notes can provide a workaround to include page numbers. If a Note I make consists entirely of a page number, I make it private.  If it's to record my experience with cooking it, I leave the Note public, virtually always including the page number; it's been a real time-saver for my most repeated recipes.

#5 Posted : Saturday, March 14, 2015 12:50:55 PM(UTC)

I can address the question of page numbers. We just (mid-February) changed the indexing process to include page numbers for books in addition to magazines, which have always had them. So newly indexed books will have page numbers. We are also looking into the possibility of developing a process to allow member indexers to go back and add page numbers for previously indexed books.


However, keep in mind that page numbers can be misleading for books that have been issued more than once or in multiple countries over time. We link together books that have been published in what is essentially the same form, but sometimes that can result in not entirely exact matches with regard to pagination.


cheers,


Sydney

#6 Posted : Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:11:43 PM(UTC)

I have about 600 cookbooks, surely a surprise to me!  They are all over the house.  The first-best-everlasting benefit of EYB (I'm a Charter member) was being able to physically find the books.  So many had been forgotten. 


I use my Bookmarks on each book...and my list of Bookmarks (self-made) is extensive.  Each book now has a category, (often more than one, as in "Italian", "Celebrity author", "Complilaltion").  Each one also has other personal categories, often without logic but useful to me ("favorites", "single subject", etc.).  Additionally...and this is the most important for me...each book has a location tag, and every shelf all over the house has tiny labels to identify the numbered shelf. 


The best part is that the large pile of books now sitting on the desk next to this computer can be returned to the proper shelf, since each book also has a small stick-'em dot on the first page assigning the proper shelf.    I also have 3 large lateral filing cabinets under some Home Depot bookshelves, each drawer labeled with the name of a magazine within (sorted by month, not in annual linear fashion, so I can grab all Spring issues of Fine Cooking, etc.)


I'm sort of OCD, if you didn't already guess LOL. 

#7 Posted : Sunday, March 15, 2015 12:23:53 PM(UTC)

Just wondering what a Charter Member is - I've never heard that term before?

#8 Posted : Sunday, March 15, 2015 12:29:50 PM(UTC)

"Charter Member" usually refers to someone who is there in the very beginning...in my case, almost when EYB was in beta.  I have a lifetime membership.

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