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On my bookshelf, I have quite a few online recipes as well as loads of printed books. Sometimes I want to use EYB to search all of these recipes, and sometimes I don't feel like using an electronic device so I want to cook from one of my books. In that case I can check "Book recipes". So far, so good.

The problem is, when I do that, I get all recipes on my bookshelf that are in some book in the EYB library. So this includes all recipes that are in a book in the EYB library, but only in online form on my bookshelf. 

I would like to exclude those recipes from my search too. Is this possible?

If I am following correctly, you've added some recipes from books you don't own because they are accessible via an online link and would like to exclude those from your search? Because those are indeed book recipes in addition to being online recipes, that is why they are still included in searches for Book Recipes.

The only way to exclude them and search only your physical collection, would be to create a bookmark for "Books I Own" (or whatever name you prefer) and tag all your physical books with it. Then when you search, you can choose "Look in Books..." and select that bookmark you have created. It takes a little time investment at first to bookmark them all, but once it is done, you can limit your search to your physical collection any time you like. Just remember to tag any new books you might add to your shelf with the bookmark as well.

A "little" time investment? It seems quite silly to have to add 200+ bookmarks, and then keep on bookmarking all books I add, to make a category that already exists. EYB already knows what physical books I have, I just want to perform a different logical operation on this list.

I just don't see the sense of not being able to exclude "only show"s and bookmarks, while I can exclude the filters. What's so different about them?

Unfortunately we don't have the resources to add every development change that members would like.  Hopefully as more paying members join, we will be able to add more enhancements, including the ability to exclude recipe sources from your searches.  Though it won't be completely straightforward as you want to exclude online recipes, but only those NOT in your physical books.

I don't get that. Isn't it possible to just include all my book recipes and nothing else? I wouldn't think you'd need to exclude anything.

Hello, I'm a little confused by this.  Are you saying that when I perform a search within my bookshelf for the books and magazines that I own, I get recipes from all over the place and not just in my bookshelf? 

Rinshin -- I can see how this thread has gotten a bit confusing! When you search your bookshelf, you will only ever get results for recipes you have added to your bookshelf -- whether from your books, magazines, blogs, or individual online recipes you have added.

The issue brought up here is when a member has added online recipes to their shelf that happen to be from a cookbook they do not physically own. If you add these types of recipes to your shelf, when you search for "Book recipes" on your shelf, those ones will show up because they are both a cookbook recipe AND an online recipe.

Please know that if you did not add them to your shelf, they would never be there. We actually have over 13,000 cookbook recipes that are also available online, so you are free to add any of them to your shelf, however, they will turn up as both "book recipes" and "online recipes" in your searches. The specific question here was how to exclude online cookbook recipes a member HAS added to their shelf when they want to find only cookbook recipes they have a physical copy of. Does that make sense?

Wester, I encourage you to consider bookmarking the books that you physically have on hand.  Besides solving the issue that you've asked about, it would also allow you to begin other lists (bookmarks) -- wishlists, books available in your local library, books available from friends (to view or borrow), books on a topic you want to explore, etc.  Currently, because there's no way to tag a number of books and apply a bookmark to them all at once, it will take a little bit of time and effort on your part to compile the list of your actual holdings. The payoff is being able to build other kinds of lists (bookmarks) while having a way to limit recipe searches to books on hand when you need to.  The bookmark I use for this is 'kitchen shelf', and it includes magazines as well as cookbooks.

If your books are in different locations in the house, it might make sense to have an overall 'Have' or 'Here' or 'on hand' bookmark (for purposes of recipe searching), and then an additional one for the room/location. It's worth giving a little bit of thought to how you want to approach it before bookmarking a substantial number of books, because the bookmark names can't be edited once created, only deleted.  They only display alphabetically, also.

In the future, if/when there are the development resources to make it happen, being able to include or exclude any number of bookmarks that a member specifies (using checkboxes) will be a great step forward.  The more kinds of bookmarks you have at that point, the more power will be unleashed by that feature.

Related features to hope for are mass tagging/bookmarking, and editable bookmark names. 

The quickest way to that bright future is to make effective use of EYB and then let cooking friends know about it. Hope you'll find it increasingly useful.

wester - we have been in communication with our developer and he can change the Books Recipes filter to only show recipes in your own books.  That would mean if you wanted to also see your online recipes from cookbooks you don't own, then you would have to separately search with the Books AND Online Recipes filter ticked.  Do any other members see that as being a problem?  We don't want to solve wester's issue, then find other members have a problem with it.

This thread has me a little confused: if I undertsand Wester's original issue it was a desire to see only recipes from his bookshelf, whether they be online ones, books, magazines etc....

The existing search filter does that already doesn't it?: if you:

1. go to my bookshelf


2. click only show "book recipes" or whatever is desired


3. you get a list of only book recipes that are in your personal collection..


4. and similarly if you click only show "online recipes" etc etc

or at least that's what I get.. you get a different output obviously if you're in library ..

Or have I misconstrued Wester's issue?

True, you haven't understood me fully :-)

My problem is, if I choose "book recipes", I don't just get recipes in my personal books, but also online recipes that are not in a book that I own, only in a different book that is in the EYB library.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

Maybe a solution for Wester (and thanks for clarifying!) is to *in future" add those on line type of recipes  as "personal recipes"? I know a case of perhaps "better ideas later!" ;-)

Jane I like your solution too - I'd be happy with that.

Another yes for Jane's solution suggested on post #9.

Jane's proposed solution makes sense, because that's what I think most members would expect the 'Books'-only default to be.

As long as those plucked from other non-Bookshelf books that happen to have online versions do all show up when you tick the Online Recipes box.  Would they? That is, to EYB aren't those Book Recipes regardless of whether there's an online link or not? Or does the underlying database/search engine register the recipe as an Online Recipe automatically when it has a link?

ellabee - any recipe with an online link will appear when you select the Online Recipes filter.  It doesn't matter whether they are from books, magazines or blogs.  You can refine that search by selecting another filter - e.g. if you tick Books and Online Recipes then you will only see cookbook recipes that have an online link.