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#1 Posted : Friday, October 6, 2023 5:23:25 AM(UTC)

Not sure that the introduction of CAPTCHA will affect me as I never log out of the site. The only moments that it is not constantly available on my desktop and laptop are when I upgrade a) my browser Firefox, and b) my operating system (macOS which does not force updates on me).I never log out of any forum-based site whether recipe-oriented as here, technical/professional support, flight of fancy hobbies, or professional development online courses.


It has been suggested by trustworthy tech/web savvy people that CAPTCHA is intrusive including grabbing user's recent surfing history. Ultimately it is owned by Google and they want to know what you looked at so they can spam your screen with more advertising.


If it slows down the web crawlers fine and dandy but as a general security it is borked and easily bypassed!

#2 Posted : Friday, October 6, 2023 7:07:17 AM(UTC)
It’s a pain in the arse.
#3 Posted : Friday, October 6, 2023 8:11:22 AM(UTC)
bellaCat - are you objecting to clicking one captcha box when you sign in or are you having more issues? If you are, please email us with details of your device and browser and we will try to help you.
ThePatheticBaker - we will have to see if our new captcha is easily bypassed. We are monitoring bot activity and so far since the introduction it has been very low. Don't we get tracked all the time already when using the web?
#5 Posted : Friday, October 6, 2023 8:27:22 AM(UTC)

No, nothing personal, just the existence of capcha. Especially when it makes you do it more than once. 

#4 Posted : Friday, October 6, 2023 5:09:02 PM(UTC)

Jane;46862 wrote:
… Don't we get tracked all the time already when using the web?
Not if one uses browser extensions such as Ublock Origin (an updated version of AdBlockPlus), Ghostery, and similar lovely pieces of software that squelch tracking and ads out of eixtence. If I need to I will also invoke GreaseMonkey. And over on Facebook Fluff Busting Purity (FBPurity) cleans up what one sees beautifully.Recent releases of the Firefox browser have additional controls to prevent tracking.


Oh and of course use a search engine that isn't using our search criteria to spam advertising. DuckDuckGo is my preference. Google may collect some info about me but those extensions prevent its exploitation (by squelching the ads at source).

#6 Posted : Saturday, October 7, 2023 2:39:05 PM(UTC)
Another thing about the usual sort of CAPTCHA is that is unfair to users whose vision is not as sharp as it once was. I have to look closely at every picture to determine "is that a bicycle?" "is that a traffic light?" The contrast in some pictures is not very good, so if you miss a picture, or enlarge the pictures to get a better look, the whole test is thrown off, and you have to start all over again with a new set of pictures. With all the refreshes you have to do, you can end up in CAPTCHA jail.
I never deliberately sign out of EYB, but I occasionally get signed out by accident.
If you do install a CAPTCHA, try the variant with images of cookbooks :)
#7 Posted : Sunday, October 8, 2023 5:48:11 AM(UTC)

Thanks for the blocking tips PBaker. I've used adblock for years - I'm all Mac - but I'll give Ghostery a try. 

#8 Posted : Sunday, October 8, 2023 4:25:17 PM(UTC)

bellaCat;46873 wrote:
… I'm all Mac …


Me too.


I've not opened any Windows in over two decades. Although I am not entirely Mac because of iPhone, iPad, and Watch.


Sometimes I cook from my iPad when I want a recipe on the web or one of my own creation.

#12 Posted : Sunday, October 8, 2023 10:03:15 PM(UTC)
I am perfectly happy with the introduction of CAPTCHA if it keeps the bots away!!
#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2023 5:39:16 PM(UTC)

I hate the photo click on as part of Capcha: the images are very fuzzy and its a real pain. Initially it was just the check box : why not just leave it at the "I am a human" check box. It is enough of an irritant to make folks stay away: including me ;-)

#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2023 6:10:23 PM(UTC)

Apprently bots can now pass the initial check but the one where you select the photos is much harder for a bot to do like a human. I have asked our developers if we can improve those captcha images and maybe even create our own with cookbook covers. Then it would feel more fun, wouldn't it?

#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2023 8:50:58 AM(UTC)

TrishaCP;46875 wrote:
I am perfectly happy with the introduction of CAPTCHA if it keeps the bots away!!
My sentiments exactly! I can sympathize with the vision issues but I rarely log out of EYB. So less than a minute of matching crosswalks, trucks, or stoplights is well worth it to me if solves the bot issue. Although cookbook images would be more fun . . .

#9 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2023 5:56:30 AM(UTC)

ThePatheticBaker;46874 wrote:
Sometimes I cook from my iPad when I want a recipe on the web or one of my own creation.


We use the iPad every day especially for NYT cooking and the Fast 800 (absolutely no success as yet, must be the weekends ... I don't get the 'not logging out' I'm seeing here. Do people mean they never close their browsers? Never have a clean out?

#17 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:55:47 AM(UTC)

"So less than a minute of matching crosswalks"


For you, Trisha, it may take less than a minute, for me it's refresh after refresh after refresh until the effect is like being in CAPTCHA jail and I wonder if some sites - not this one - use it as a way to keep "the wrong people" out.


I suggest the cookbook-cover CAPTCHA - that gave me no trouble at all.

#18 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2023 3:41:46 PM(UTC)

bitrette - you don't recall what Forum topic that the cookbook covers captcha was mentioned do you? I've tried searching the Forum by "captcha" and "cover" without any success.


Although it may seem like we provide the captcha screens it is actually Google. I'm not sure why some of the images are so bad but we hope to get that resolved soon. When you say "refresh after refresh after refresh" is that because your selections are being rejected or because you ask for a new captcha screen?


It's hard to know why some people are seeing so many captcha screens and others are not. I do stay signed in on Google Chrome and use EYB all day long and never see captcha when using the site. I sign-in regularly with test memberships as checks on Edge and only have to select the "I'm not a robot" box, not do the images. There must be some reason why some people are seeing more screens.

#19 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2023 5:00:43 PM(UTC)

Just did a little research on Captcha... as EYB is using google's ReCaptcha it seems a two step process (check box -> image selection) is generated when google doesn't trust the initial check box answer (for whatever reason). That same article cited the potential for a drop in 30% of business through implementation of Captcha ... some days I get nothing, other days just the check box and other days both... so I guess that means sometimes I'm robot like and other days I'm more human like .. my husband may well agree with that!! ;-)


BTW hCaptcha (alternative provider) has much more interesting images but no cookbooks ! (also in that article)

#20 Posted : Thursday, October 12, 2023 11:48:13 PM(UTC)

Only use EYB on my Android phone and I've never seen a Captcha on this site.


Have keep me logged-in on the homepage selected keep an EYB chrome tab permanently open.

#10 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2023 3:47:08 AM(UTC)

bellaCat;46891 wrote:
... I don't get the 'not logging out' I'm seeing here. Do people mean they never close their browsers? Never have a clean out?


As one of those "never log out" ist you are correct I never close my browser on either my desktop or laptop. There are of course implicit closures when upgrading  either the browser or operating system but everything is quickly restored afterwards. If I have taken the trouble to login into a web site then no I do not close the window/tab for it. Discussion forums in particular are always open (with subject intertest groups together in a separate window). Currently the subect area for cooking/baking includes EYB and a further dozen sites plus a more general group of forums, which all run on the Discourse software, open for another 15. There are other open certaain sites that I want to refer to quickly for example the user guises for iPone, iPad, Apple Watch, and macOS.


Sites that I visit occasionally (for example the documentation for tools I use such as csvkit, pandoc, SQLite, MariaDB and others) are bookmarked but not currently opened.


Anything visited on my iPad or iPone is  generally transient. If there is content that I feel I want to refer back to then I re-open the site on my Macs and go from there.


As to clear our the only thing I do is to deleted history entries that interfer with other entries being listed in "Search Suggestions".


Oh and then there all the MOOCs on topics that I am currently studying, which includes at least one on food safety and sustainability.


No one else uses my devices so how I run them is entirely up to me,

#11 Posted : Friday, October 13, 2023 9:56:07 AM(UTC)

[quote=ThePatheticBaker;46902]


You lost me at 'csvkit, pandoc, SQLite, MariaDB'


Thanks for humouring me though. I share an imac and 2 ipads with my other half. If I left EYB up there permanently I'd be accused of having an obsession with food and cooking. As if the 4 hundred odd cookbooks didn't exist.


Speaking of ... if anyone wants to pop into Oxfam in Richmond (west London, not North Yorkshire) I just offloaded a ton of books I never or rarely use. It kills me to lose them but I'm out of shelf space and I'm trying to operate a one in, one out system. 


Cheers all.

#21 Posted : Saturday, October 14, 2023 4:37:39 AM(UTC)
The bots were getting quite bad, so I am happy something is being done about it.
Maybe you should talk to LibraryThing - they have a captcha where you have to tell if books are cookbooks or scifi. I think even the visually challenged here would be able to do that.
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